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i better get season 3 of izombie if its in the can - and at that point why not greenlight a 4thIn a surprise move, The CW has given early renewals to seven of its original series for the 2017-2018 season, including all of the comic book series and a few other fan-favorites. Supernatural is returning for a record 13th season, Supergirl was renewed for season three, The Flash will return for season four, Arrow got a season six, DC’s Legends of Tomorrow earned a season three, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend was renewed for season three and Jane the Virgin gets a season four. Plus, Constantine–the DC Comics/NBC live-action series that was canceled just a few years ago–is returning as an animated series on digital platform CW Seed with Matt Ryan reprising his title role as the voice of John Constantine.
http://nerdist.com/the-cw-just-renewed- ... celed-one/The only CW original series still up for renewal/cancelation are all the midseason slate: The Originals, iZombie, The 100 and new series Riverdale (it was already announced this summer that The Vampire Diaries will end after this season). Pedowitz said that he’s “hopeful” that The Originals will return, and to stay tuned to how the midseason series perform this year.
couple of pointsdrew wrote:Sam - are the neilson/arbitron/etc folks working on a system that actually tracks and reflects how the 18-49 viewers watch tv - i dont no anyone who watches scripted tv same day anymore
if they dont its gonna be just a bunch of blue hairs watching depends and Metamucil commercials
You are correct I will include Walking Dead ratings in future episodes, I just don't track cable ratings for a variety of reason. The biggest reason being ratings are not nearly as predictive of a show future as they are on broadcast.drew wrote:episode had no mention of walking dead?!? which is a) based on a comic book and b) highest rated scripted show on TV
We've been focusing on network television. So other shows haven't been mentioned on these episodes either like Doctor Who.drew wrote:episode had no mention of walking dead?!? which is a) based on a comic book and b) highest rated scripted show on TV
Big miss That was part of previous episode (maybe title should say Network)JohnMayo wrote:We've been focusing on network television. So other shows haven't been mentioned on these episodes either like Doctor Who.drew wrote:episode had no mention of walking dead?!? which is a) based on a comic book and b) highest rated scripted show on TV
As for Walking Dead specifically, I tend not to focus too much on shows I don't watch so I hadn't even noticed the omission.
Like I said, I don't normally track cable ratings, they simply aren't as important. Cable makes the most of their revenue from subscriber fees not ad sales, there is also almost infinite real-estate (time slots) as cable networks don't have to provide new content 6 days a week for 36-40 weeks a year. I can't think of a cable network other than news channels that average even 10 hours of new primetime content a week.JohnMayo wrote:As Sam said, we'll try to include some of the other genre shows like Walking Dead moving forward. While I don't watch the show, I agree that it is well worth including in these episodes.
very interesting stuff thank you - same day + 7 sounds about right, that covers most of usfudd71 wrote:couple of pointsdrew wrote:Sam - are the neilson/arbitron/etc folks working on a system that actually tracks and reflects how the 18-49 viewers watch tv - i dont no anyone who watches scripted tv same day anymore
if they dont its gonna be just a bunch of blue hairs watching depends and Metamucil commercials
Neilson has introduced a million different ratings systems over the years, currently they offer live+same, commercial+3, live+3, live+7, live+30 and Social active (mentions on social media). They also have a new matrix coming that will include even longer periods of time and combined viewing on streaming services. The biggest problem is while Neilson keeps trying to provide these types of different measurements but advertisers don't care about anything other that Commercial+3. The reason I track and report on live+same is it is the most similar to the commercial+3.
While you and I and other like us rarely if ever watch live that simply isn't true across the board. And I know personally I watch quite a bit the same day. On Average the current 18-49 American watched 3 minutes more of television per week in 2016 than in 2015. About 92% is done in the first 7 days after air, 89% in the first 3 days and over 85% same day. Also note only about 60% of homes have a DVR.
You are correct I will include Walking Dead ratings in future episodes, I just don't track cable ratings for a variety of reason. The biggest reason being ratings are not nearly as predictive of a show future as they are on broadcast.drew wrote:episode had no mention of walking dead?!? which is a) based on a comic book and b) highest rated scripted show on TV
Rating (18-49) for the most reason season bellow.
10/23/16 -- 8.36
10/30/16 -- 6.09
11/6/16 -- 5.68
11/13/16 -- 5.43
11/20/16 -- 5.17
11/27/16 -- 4.90
12/4/16 -- 4.95
12/11/16 -- 5.09
season 7 average 5.71
for past history
season 6 average 6.48
season 5 average 7.36
season 4 average 6.77
season 3 average 5.52
The problem with +7 ratings is they are much higher than the commercial +3 (in some cases the C+3 are even lower that the live+same). Remember traditional broadcasters still (and this is changing) make most of their revenue selling ads. Ratings exist as a tool for advertisers to know what they are getting for their ad money. The viewer is often under the mistaken impression they are the consumers of television networks, they are not. Advertisers are the consumers of television networks and viewers are the product they purchase. Regardless of what any viewers believes about the quality or artistic merit of a program, if the program doesn't produce ad views to sell it isn't pulling its weight in the network budget. While reporting the number of people that watched a show +7 or +30 or at anytime without watching the commercials is great for PR it does nothing for the bottom line. It's kind of like a comic publisher over shipping and saying sales are way updrew wrote: very interesting stuff thank you - same day + 7 sounds about right, that covers most of us
+3 or +7 or day&date (w/10min delay) - 60%+ of us are still zipping through commercials so thats why we will continue see things like Pitch with the show seemingly continuing until you see the gatorade placement - thats the direction tv is going - it just going to take the stodgy old timers some time to catch up to the shift - hope im still alive when the geezers who volunteer to keep tv diarys no longer control what i watch - maybe then they will cancel 2 broke girlsfudd71 wrote:The problem with +7 ratings is they are much higher than the commercial +3 (in some cases the C+3 are even lower that the live+same). Remember traditional broadcasters still (and this is changing) make most of their revenue selling ads. Ratings exist as a tool for advertisers to know what they are getting for their ad money. The viewer is often under the mistaken impression they are the consumers of television networks, they are not. Advertisers are the consumers of television networks and viewers are the product they purchase. Regardless of what any viewers believes about the quality or artistic merit of a program, if the program doesn't produce ad views to sell it isn't pulling its weight in the network budget. While reporting the number of people that watched a show +7 or +30 or at anytime without watching the commercials is great for PR it does nothing for the bottom line. It's kind of like a comic publisher over shipping and saying sales are way updrew wrote: very interesting stuff thank you - same day + 7 sounds about right, that covers most of us
So many things here are just flat out false on multiple levels.drew wrote: +3 or +7 or day&date (w/10min delay) - 60%+ of us are still zipping through commercials so thats why we will continue see things like Pitch with the show seemingly continuing until you see the gatorade placement - thats the direction tv is going - it just going to take the stodgy old timers some time to catch up to the shift - hope im still alive when the geezers who volunteer to keep tv diarys no longer control what i watch - maybe then they will cancel 2 broke girls
Who/what you and your friends like is a good way to make decisions on what you watch. It's an awful basis to evaluate a business though. The truth is 60% aren't zipping through commercials. I happen to have the national C+3 and the +7 ratings for 18-49 for the week of October 3-9, 2016. Let's look at just how many people are zipping through the commercials. For Scripted shows the average C+3 rating is 1.48 the average +7 is 2.45. Meaning only about 39.6% zip through the commercials. While this number is not insignificant it also is still substantially less than half and no where near 60%.drew wrote: +3 or +7 or day&date (w/10min delay) - 60%+ of us are still zipping through commercials
The old style diaries are mostly gone and are not used for national averages (what we are talking about) in any way. The top 25 largest markets are measured with what are called "local people meters". These devices are part of the television and each member of the household must put in their own code when watching, it makes you put your code in each time you change the channel or every 30-45 minutes to ensure you haven't fallen asleep or a different household member isn't now watching.drew wrote: hope im still alive when the geezers who volunteer to keep tv diarys no longer control what i watch - maybe then they will cancel 2 broke girls
i equate DVR ownership with zipping through commercials, what am i missing?fudd71 wrote:Also note only about 60% of homes have a DVR.
Two things:drew wrote:i equate DVR ownership with zipping through commercials, what am i missing?fudd71 wrote:Also note only about 60% of homes have a DVR.
really?!? sports maybe i can see that (but even then i still pause for 15-20 minutes to zip through them-perhaps i am a just a renaissance man)fudd71 wrote:People that have DVRs don't always use them or forget to FF threw the commercials. I know this happens to me personally all the time, I sit threw a commercial or two and then think, "I should FF threw this". Plus many people do still watch things live, not everything is recorded.
60 percent still a big number no matter how you slice it up - and i would contend DVR owners are younger than over 49 but maybe you are correctfudd71 wrote:60% is total households, not age adjusted for individuals. The number of people that own Tivo or other private DVR boxes is very small. Most DVRs in households are a product of having upper tier cable or satellite service where the DVR is included as the box with the upper tier packages. Looking at Cable and satellite service numbers we find that "older" head of households (40-65 year olds) have those upper tier cable and satellite packages in the highest numbers. So many of the individuals in the households with a DVR might be over 49 and not counted in 18-49 ratings.
anecdotally seems 9 outta 10 of these ^^^^ are netflix, youtube and hacked firestix i'd betfudd71 wrote:teenage and 20 something children living at home might only have live in the television in their room or where they watch most often.