LET'S TALK: DC 2.0

[Gilgabob]

I was basically thinking "get on with it" the entire time I was reading these comics.

I'm not reading it but you've captured my sentiments with you're quote. I find these crossovers/events needlessly long and have been skipping them altogether.

[abysslord]

What do people think of "Wrath of the First Lantern"? Just read the 1st 3 parts & I'm seriously underwhelmed.....

Not digging the "let's flash back to alternate ways a character's life could have turned out" story. I'm not intrinsically opposed to this kind of story, but the way it's built into this crossover (built on top of too many other GL crossovers) it's just rubbing me the wrong way.

I was basically thinking "get on with it" the entire time I was reading these comics.

I think if they were called prologues it'd be okay. If you're calling this parts 1, 2, 3 of a story? that's ridiculous.

So I'll keep reading but I'm getting tired of these crossovers and the whole "the guardians hate the lanterns" thing, even if this story isn't about that.

[BobBretall]

I think if they were called prologues it'd be okay. If you're calling this parts 1, 2, 3 of a story? that's ridiculous.

The problem is exaggerated by them shipping all 3 GL books on the same day (which is stupid). The similarities of all the stories is exaggerated when you read these things back-to-back.

[stardog]

I think if they were called prologues it'd be okay. If you're calling this parts 1, 2, 3 of a story? that's ridiculous.

The problem is exaggerated by them shipping all 3 GL books on the same day (which is stupid). The similarities of all the stories is exaggerated when you read these things back-to-back.

Just read these and I agree with you guys. And big picture I'd just like to see the Green Lanterns as space cops again. I like the mythology Johns has developed for the Lanterns, but there's just been too many stories related to it. Give me some good villains who are in no way related to the Lanterns, have them do bad things and have the Green Lanterns stop them. I just hope the new creative teams have plans along those lines.

[Perry]

Well, that didn't take long at all. Bleeding Cool reporting Fialkov already off his two GL books.
CLICK HERE

If this is true, DC's knife has to be getting dull by now from so much cutting off of its own nose.

ETA - Hey Fialkov, Valiant is a great company !!!! Make sure you answer any e-mails from them

[BobBretall]

Well, that didn't take long at all. Bleeding Cool reporting Fialkov already off his two GL books.
CLICK HERE

If this is true, DC's knife has to be getting dull by now from so much cutting off of its own nose.

ETA - Hey Fialkov, Valiant is a great company !!!! Make sure you answer any e-mails from them

Hmmm.... May be a good time for me to just drop the GL franchise for a while after the current crop of writers are done w/ issue #20. Not the 1st time we're seeing news of DC's heavy-handed editorial oversight stepping on writers.

I understand that Joshua Hale Fialkov has walked off both Green Lantern books he was due to begin writing, “Green Lantern Corps” and “Red Lanterns”.

We first reported that Fialkov was taking over those two comics last month, and DC later confirmed the news. But before his first issues are published I understand that he has chosen to curtail his run.

Just as yesterday, we told you that Andy Diggle had walked off Action Comics and today that’s been confirmed

Both incidents seem to involve repeated editorial changes to already-approved directions that have not been welcomed by the writers.

How many issues will ship with Josh’s name on them is not yet known. But as we discovered today with Supergirl, sometimes the change isn’t even reflected on the cover and the insides come as a complete surprise…

As ever, neither Josh nor DC Comics chose to reply to emails.

[Gilgabob]

Well, that didn't take long at all. Bleeding Cool reporting Fialkov already off his two GL books.
CLICK HERE

If this is true, DC's knife has to be getting dull by now from so much cutting off of its own nose.

ETA - Hey Fialkov, Valiant is a great company !!!! Make sure you answer any e-mails from them

I feel even better about bailing on this series when I did.

[fudd71]

Not a single issue of any of these books are even out yet. Can't people wait and actually see an issue before deciding it is horrible.

I'm am currently reading 3 GL titles and really loving 2 of them. Until I get actual issues that make me change that opinion I'll keep reading. All this gossip is meaningless.

[BobBretall]

Not a single issue of any of these books are even out yet. Can't people wait and actually see an issue before deciding it is horrible.

I'm am currently reading 3 GL titles and really loving 2 of them. Until I get actual issues that make me change that opinion I'll keep reading. All this gossip is meaningless.

You are getting 3 GL titles & loving 2 of them. I'm getting all 4. I dislike Red Lanterns & was planning on dropping it (but would have tried it solely for Fialkov's writing). In absence of him, it's easy to bail on the book. Of the other 3, I personally think they've all been mediocre for several months. But, different strokes...

Different people decide in different ways. I don't buy every single comic book on the market and read it to decide if I want to read it or not. Neither do you. I use a variety of methods to decide if I want to read something. News reports are one of those. While Bleeding Cool is often thinly veiled gossip, this particular article seems to have a pretty strong basis in the fact of Fialkov being off the books before his 1st issues even hit the stands.

Also, I don't think we're saying (in advance) they are going to be horrible. They may or may not be to my liking, I may not want to buy them, but that is not the same as saying they are (or will be) horrible. Also, my experience with DC is that when editorial starts stepping in and doing stuff to cause creators to walk away rather than put up with the meddling, it's rare that what comes out in that environment is to my liking.

Enough for me to decide to give something a pass.

Your mileage may vary.

[fudd71]

You are getting 3 GL titles & loving 2 of them. I'm getting all 4. I dislike Red Lanterns & was planning on dropping it (but would have tried it solely for Fialkov's writing).

I'm with you on Red Lanterns, I read up to issue 16 and finally cried Uncle

Different people decide in different ways. I don't buy every single comic book on the market and read it to decide if I want to read it or not. Neither do you. I use a variety of methods to decide if I want to read something. News reports are one of those.

I'm with you on this too. Let's face it, it is simply impossible to buy and read everything. I know I am worst then most in not trying a lot of things but I'm trying to change. I have actively been trying to expand my horizons of late. I no longer get all the DC books, I have dropped about 15 in the last three months. I have also been trying quite a few other books. Many of the books I have chosen to try are from recommendations on the very forum or from the podcast. Some I am loving, some I liked and some I didn't like. Getting me personally to try a book is a much harder sell then with some people, I know this. However once I make the decision to try something the book itself is the only factor in the decision to continue. Having the book pulled into a crossover I'm not interested in is the one factor that is kind of out of the material itself, but that is not really outside the material. If I like a book enough to buy 1 month it doesn't mean I like it enough to buy 10 a month.

What I personally struggle to understand is how many fans will essentially plan to drop at a future date. I know John has often mentioned that a good book should sell the next issue. In this case it seems like some people are saying "I like the book, I liked the last issue, I want the next issue, but I am sure I don't want the issue 3 or 4 down the road". I have even done this myself, in my reread of the New 52 I have been doing I said of Action Comics I wanted to finish the Morrison story but wasn't liking it enough to go past that. I thought about that and realized it didn't makes sense. If you like a book enough to get the next issue great. If you don't like a book enough to next issue don't get it.

Your mileage may vary.

Always true. Just trying to understand why I think the way I do at times, and why other fans do as well.

[BobBretall]

What I personally struggle to understand is how many fans will essentially plan to drop at a future date. I know John has often mentioned that a good book should sell the next issue. In this case it seems like some people are saying "I like the book, I liked the last issue, I want the next issue, but I am sure I don't want the issue 3 or 4 down the road".

For me it's a combination of completest mentality & the fact that I order several months in advance with DCBS. It's also similar to making a decision several months in advance on whether to get a #1 or not.

On GL, I'm not loving it, but I'll ride out the final issues for the current team. At that point I have a decision point: Drop the books I'm not liking or start fresh with the new creative teams? This is a decision similar (to me) like when I decide to try out a new series (or not). In this case, I was liking the announcement of Fialkov & I am not as enthused about the new creative teams, plus, as I said, when DC editorial interference causes creators to walk away, what comes in the aftermath is not historically something I enjoy.

All this said, just because I don't pre-order it, there is still a possibility that I will flip through a book in the LCS when it ships & change my mind about trying it out.

[BobBretall]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/andy-di ... -exit.html

Tweet:

Andy Diggle @andydiggle
Sadly, I’ve decided to walk away from Action Comics for professional reasons.

In subsequent tweets, Diggle added:
“It was the toughest decision I’ve ever had to make, especially with Superman’s 75th anniversary and Man of Steel on the horizon."
“But it was the right decision. No regrets. Onwards!"

DC Publicity tweeted:

Alex Segura @alex_segura
Regarding ACTION COMICS - artist Tony Daniel will be expanding his role and taking over as writer and artist for the remainder of the arc.

VERY big change. IMO, Andy Diggle is one of the top writers in comics today. Tony Daniels is an extremely weak writer, at best.

[torchsong]

According to rumors (and a few sites now reporting it as fact) Fialkov walked off Green Lantern because editorial wanted him to kill John Stewart in his storyline (which he'd never planned to do originally).

I'm not a big John Stewart fan but...seriously? Even if you take away that he's one of the most if not THE most prominent African American superheroes out there...even if you remove that...he was the GATEWAY DRUG for a lot of the current crop of readers who saw him in Justice League Unlimited. He was THEIR Green Lantern just like Hal or Guy is to many of us (okay...and Kyle! )

[Gilgabob]

Not a single issue of any of these books are even out yet. Can't people wait and actually see an issue before deciding it is horrible.

I'm am currently reading 3 GL titles and really loving 2 of them. Until I get actual issues that make me change that opinion I'll keep reading. All this gossip is meaningless.

I dropped the book because I'm not enjoying it right now. Since I only want to read the main GL title and since that title is always going from one crossover to the next and when DC decided to saddle me with a $7.99 issue I decided it was time to leave. The fact that there now seems to be some issue with the direction of the book only solidifies my belief that I made the right decision.

I hope the book is great in the future. I just won't be reading it.

[BobBretall]

In this case, I was liking the announcement of Fialkov & I am not as enthused about the new creative teams, plus, as I said, when DC editorial interference causes creators to walk away, what comes in the aftermath is not historically something I enjoy.

From Fialkov's Blog:

There were editorial decisions about the direction of the book that conflicted with the story I was hired to tell, and I felt that it was better to let DC tell their story the way they want.

I've got to respect Fialkov for that.

DC is within it's rights to mandate that their characters be featured in the stories they want written. It's work for hire.

It's within a creator's rights to walk away when they are told to write a story they don't want to tell.